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 top end oiling question..urgent -- dave, 04/26/2004
I just installed a cut out valve cover on the L/H head and started the engine. Plenty of oil shooting out of hole for pushrod tips NOTHING comming out of holes for valve stem tips....is this normal? Are they splash oiled by what oil would reflect off the roof of the cover? These are new rocker shaft assys and I checked to make sure the oil holes on the rocker shaft were on the bottom. I also noted when I compared the replacement shafts to the ones I removed that there were an additional set of holes with chaamfered grooves on the originals that are not on the replacements. I have been trying to resolve an engine noise .....could this be it?
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21176&Reply=21176><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>1966 Fairlane GT Grille</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Joe Knight, <i>04/26/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>Gents,<br><br>Is the 1966 Fairlane GT grille painted?  I've seen some pictures and it looks that way.  If so, what color--they look to either be semigloss black or a dark charcoal.<br><br>Thanks,<br>Joe </blockquote> 1966 Fairlane GT Grille -- Joe Knight, 04/26/2004
Gents,

Is the 1966 Fairlane GT grille painted? I've seen some pictures and it looks that way. If so, what color--they look to either be semigloss black or a dark charcoal.

Thanks,
Joe
 RE: 1966 Fairlane GT Grille -- McQ, 04/27/2004
Yes the '66 Fairlane GT or GTA grille is painted a unique color of mostly charcoal/gray with the vertical short bars flat black.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21175&Reply=21175><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>max cam lift for non- adjustable rockers</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>GULUPO, <i>04/26/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>hi, i have this 390 engine, it have non adjustable rockers, i want to know which is the bigger cam i can use whit the stock valvetrain. </blockquote> max cam lift for non- adjustable rockers -- GULUPO, 04/26/2004
hi, i have this 390 engine, it have non adjustable rockers, i want to know which is the bigger cam i can use whit the stock valvetrain.
 RE: You can go pretty big on lift. -- Gerry Proctor, 04/27/2004
As long as you have adequate lifter preload. But manufacturing tolerances being what they are, there's no one number that works for all engines.

My 390 had adequate preload with non-adjustable rockers with a 548/580 cam. I ran the engine that way while I was sorting out pushrod length for a set of adjustables. The adjustables weren't necessary for the cam but for the lifters. Using anti-pump up lifters require a very precise preload and you can't do that with non-adjustables.
 RE: max cam lift for non- adjustable rockers -- Lucas, 04/28/2004
Best idea is to set up a dial indicator and check
the amount of lift that produces coil bind. Then back off a minimum of .100" at the valve spring or .060" at the pushrod side.
Rocker ratio should be approx. 1.73:1
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21172&Reply=21172><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Another 390 cam timing question</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Anthony, <i>04/26/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>On the old timing gear set I took out, the bottom gear had 3 keyway locations, each at 120 degrees from eachother. One had a "O", one had an "X" and the other a very small "rectantangle". Obviously, it could be put in one of three ways. What is the significance of this? (It was set up on the "O").<br>Thanks,<br>Anthony </blockquote> Another 390 cam timing question -- Anthony, 04/26/2004
On the old timing gear set I took out, the bottom gear had 3 keyway locations, each at 120 degrees from eachother. One had a "O", one had an "X" and the other a very small "rectantangle". Obviously, it could be put in one of three ways. What is the significance of this? (It was set up on the "O").
Thanks,
Anthony
 RE: Another 390 cam timing question -- Gerry Proctor, 04/26/2004
"O" is zero degrees (normal position), the "X" and the triangle represent two degrees advanced or retarded. This is clearly an aftermarket chain. Likely a Cloyes roller.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21174&Reply=21172><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Another 390 cam timing question</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Anthony, <i>04/26/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>So what is to gain/lose going one way or the other with cam timing on a stock motor? </blockquote> RE: Another 390 cam timing question -- Anthony, 04/26/2004
So what is to gain/lose going one way or the other with cam timing on a stock motor?
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21185&Reply=21172><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Not much.</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Gerry Proctor, <i>04/27/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>First, the advance and retard marks are on there by virtue of it being an aftermarket performance chain set.  Just because you could advance or retard the cam doesn't mean it's a good idea, especailly for a novice.<br><br>Advancing the cam lowers the rpm point for the engine's torque peak.  Retarding the cam raises it.  This is due directly to how advancing or retarding the cam changes the intake valve's closing point.  It's a tuning issue that very experienced performance builders use to shift the torque curve to enhance the behavior of the car.  If the car is loosing traction easily off the line, the cam can be retarded to kill some low-end torque a pick up some rpm on the top end.  Or the cam can be advanced to take advantage of traction conditions to improve a 60-foot time but with a reduction in top-end power.<br><br>But the difference is pretty insignificant with a cam with very short duration.<br><br>And just so this doesn't get confused...these alternative timing marks have little to nothing to do with degreeing a cam unless the cam is precisely two degrees off one way or the other. </blockquote> RE: Not much. -- Gerry Proctor, 04/27/2004
First, the advance and retard marks are on there by virtue of it being an aftermarket performance chain set. Just because you could advance or retard the cam doesn't mean it's a good idea, especailly for a novice.

Advancing the cam lowers the rpm point for the engine's torque peak. Retarding the cam raises it. This is due directly to how advancing or retarding the cam changes the intake valve's closing point. It's a tuning issue that very experienced performance builders use to shift the torque curve to enhance the behavior of the car. If the car is loosing traction easily off the line, the cam can be retarded to kill some low-end torque a pick up some rpm on the top end. Or the cam can be advanced to take advantage of traction conditions to improve a 60-foot time but with a reduction in top-end power.

But the difference is pretty insignificant with a cam with very short duration.

And just so this doesn't get confused...these alternative timing marks have little to nothing to do with degreeing a cam unless the cam is precisely two degrees off one way or the other.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21190&Reply=21172><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Not much.</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Barry B, <i>04/27/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>Also you don't want to be advancing a little stock cam or else you'll be fighting low rpm detonation. </blockquote> RE: Not much. -- Barry B, 04/27/2004
Also you don't want to be advancing a little stock cam or else you'll be fighting low rpm detonation.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21198&Reply=21172><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: Not much.</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Barry McLarty, <i>04/28/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>Also,as you are changing valve opening and closing points in the cranks rotation,you have to watch for valve to piston clearance problems that you might not have when the cam is installed straight up. </blockquote> RE: Not much. -- Barry McLarty, 04/28/2004
Also,as you are changing valve opening and closing points in the cranks rotation,you have to watch for valve to piston clearance problems that you might not have when the cam is installed straight up.
 RE: That's only an issue in longer-duration cams -- Gerry Proctor, 04/28/2004
Everyone's situation is going to be different but you usually don't have any concerns until you get into the 230-degree range with a bit more lift. For the stock cam he has he'd never be in danger.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21169&Reply=21169><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>starter problems</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Bob, <i>04/25/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>I have a 390 with about 10-1 copression that eats starters I have yet to put one on that sounded good for any length of time. When I say any length of time I mean trying to set the valves and the timimg before you finish the starter is grinding. I have aluminum fly wheel with a new starter ring and its eating it up. Need help! </blockquote> starter problems -- Bob, 04/25/2004
I have a 390 with about 10-1 copression that eats starters I have yet to put one on that sounded good for any length of time. When I say any length of time I mean trying to set the valves and the timimg before you finish the starter is grinding. I have aluminum fly wheel with a new starter ring and its eating it up. Need help!
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21170&Reply=21169><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: starter problems</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Travis Miller, <i>04/25/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>The answer to your problem can be found at a starter rebuild shop.  The guys at a rebuild shop see these kind of problems on a regular basis.  Use their knowledge to solve your problem.  They can even special build starters that fit your needs.<br><br> </blockquote> RE: starter problems -- Travis Miller, 04/25/2004
The answer to your problem can be found at a starter rebuild shop. The guys at a rebuild shop see these kind of problems on a regular basis. Use their knowledge to solve your problem. They can even special build starters that fit your needs.

Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21171&Reply=21169><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: starter problems</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Bob, <i>04/26/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>Travis thanks for the responce. I have been using a local alternator starter place. The starter has been juiced up and I have showed him the wear pattern and asked for sugestions. I believe the problem is deeper than that. I have a friend that runs a 390 and his fly wheel is the same as mine except I have more teeth on my starter ring. His is 153 and mine is 183 maybe they sold me the wrong starter ring I asked for a 1972 ford f150 with a 390 stick. My steel fly wheel had the 183 teeth count also but it never sounded right eighter. I do have the spacer between the block and the bell housing. Whith both fly wheels one steel and one aluminum the starter after veery little use wants to lossen up. </blockquote> RE: starter problems -- Bob, 04/26/2004
Travis thanks for the responce. I have been using a local alternator starter place. The starter has been juiced up and I have showed him the wear pattern and asked for sugestions. I believe the problem is deeper than that. I have a friend that runs a 390 and his fly wheel is the same as mine except I have more teeth on my starter ring. His is 153 and mine is 183 maybe they sold me the wrong starter ring I asked for a 1972 ford f150 with a 390 stick. My steel fly wheel had the 183 teeth count also but it never sounded right eighter. I do have the spacer between the block and the bell housing. Whith both fly wheels one steel and one aluminum the starter after veery little use wants to lossen up.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21178&Reply=21169><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: starter problems</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>dave, <i>04/26/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>Hi Bob, I just found the aftermarket starter on my 428 4 speed application was not clearing the ring gear even though it bolted in with no trouble. It was the top side of the nose on the starter. Also I had hard hot starts until I installed a heat shield blanket but thats because of the headers... Good Luck  </blockquote> RE: starter problems -- dave, 04/26/2004
Hi Bob, I just found the aftermarket starter on my 428 4 speed application was not clearing the ring gear even though it bolted in with no trouble. It was the top side of the nose on the starter. Also I had hard hot starts until I installed a heat shield blanket but thats because of the headers... Good Luck
 RE: starter problems -- Bob, 04/26/2004
I believe I have fixed my problem. I went to my local starter repair place and asked for a 10 tooth starter drive and was told it would not work but it is the best sounding starter I have had on the car. I had just changed the oil in my car when the old starter died. So when I put the new one on I cranked the engine till it showe oil presure and it sounded great during that time so I started the engine got it hot and started it several more times I'am impressed with it. The guy at the starter place says it is a 351m or 400ci ford starter drive with 10 teeth instead of the normal 9 teeth on the FE.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21163&Reply=21163><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Head ID Help.</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Jay, <i>04/25/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>I have a set of heads laying around with the numbers C3AE 6090C. Any idea.  </blockquote> Head ID Help. -- Jay, 04/25/2004
I have a set of heads laying around with the numbers C3AE 6090C. Any idea.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21187&Reply=21163><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Use the search engine Mr F so generously...</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Dan  Davis, <i>04/27/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>...provides.  Entering "C3AE heads" got me this post: <a href="http://www.jcoconsulting.com/forumfe/reply.aspx?ID=19580&Reply=19573">http://www.jcoconsulting.com/forumfe/reply.aspx?ID=19580&Reply=19573</a><br><br>Cheers,<br>Dan </blockquote> Use the search engine Mr F so generously... -- Dan Davis, 04/27/2004
...provides. Entering "C3AE heads" got me this post: http://www.jcoconsulting.com/forumfe/reply.aspx?ID=19580&Reply=19573

Cheers,
Dan
 Thanks Dan! -- Jay, 04/27/2004
I currently have a set C8AE-H heads with 2.09 int and 1.65 exh and didn't know if the C3ae's would be worthy of installing on my 390. Any gains expected?
 RE: Head ID Help. -- duck, 04/30/2004
i have a set of heads#C4AE,6090G,3L25,3L20can ya please tell me are these hi p heads,427?390
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21161&Reply=21161><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>390 timing chain gear bolt??</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Anthony, <i>04/25/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>I am replacing my timing chain. The bolt that holds the gear and the fuel pump eccentric on the cam looks like a standard grade hardware store bolt, ie it has no markings on it and is a plain zinc color. Should this be a hardened bolt, and if so what grade?<br>Thanks,<br>Anthony </blockquote> 390 timing chain gear bolt?? -- Anthony, 04/25/2004
I am replacing my timing chain. The bolt that holds the gear and the fuel pump eccentric on the cam looks like a standard grade hardware store bolt, ie it has no markings on it and is a plain zinc color. Should this be a hardened bolt, and if so what grade?
Thanks,
Anthony
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21166&Reply=21161><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>Grade 8</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>raycfe, <i>04/25/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>7/16-14 1 7/8inch long is what I come up with. </blockquote> Grade 8 -- raycfe, 04/25/2004
7/16-14 1 7/8inch long is what I come up with.
 RE: Grade 8 -- Anthony, 04/25/2004
Thanks, thats what I needed.
 RE: 390 timing chain gear bolt?? -- gene simmons, 04/27/2004
ARP makes one part# 155-1002 or 255-1002
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Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21142&Reply=21142><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>dual 4v</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>scott hendrix, <i>04/24/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>ive got a dual 4 lowriser 427 intake (factory) on my 390 with 2 600 holleys with electric choke that i just cant seem to get tuned properly. im thinking of selling the combo, one for the mentioned reason and two, it's mostly for eye candy and three, its not a race car im trying to build any way. but if anyone familiar with my problem could give me some advice and i could make this work properly then the eye candy part would appeal to me again and i would learn to live with the gas mileage. im just tired of taking off from a stop and having it fall on its face or after trying to adjust for that having it fall on its face or surge at higher speeds. the motor is a 390 .060 over, medium cam (2000-6000 rpm range) stock distributor with pertronics ( which im leaning toward being the setback to my problem, im thinking the spark may not be hot enough). the motor has about 500 miles on it and its in a 65 galaxie with cruise o matic and 3:00 rear. </blockquote> dual 4v -- scott hendrix, 04/24/2004
ive got a dual 4 lowriser 427 intake (factory) on my 390 with 2 600 holleys with electric choke that i just cant seem to get tuned properly. im thinking of selling the combo, one for the mentioned reason and two, it's mostly for eye candy and three, its not a race car im trying to build any way. but if anyone familiar with my problem could give me some advice and i could make this work properly then the eye candy part would appeal to me again and i would learn to live with the gas mileage. im just tired of taking off from a stop and having it fall on its face or after trying to adjust for that having it fall on its face or surge at higher speeds. the motor is a 390 .060 over, medium cam (2000-6000 rpm range) stock distributor with pertronics ( which im leaning toward being the setback to my problem, im thinking the spark may not be hot enough). the motor has about 500 miles on it and its in a 65 galaxie with cruise o matic and 3:00 rear.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21143&Reply=21142><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>600 Holleys are not calibrated properly.</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Royce P, <i>04/24/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>The stock carbs (C3AF-BJ and C3AF-BK) are 600 CFM but are calibrated to work as a progressive pair. The difference is that of night and day. The original carbs are being reproduced and are available from <a href="http://www.carlsfordparts.com">http://www.carlsfordparts.com</a><br><br>This is an awesome setup for the street, it has no flat spots, no bog at all on my 427. <br><br>Royce </blockquote> 600 Holleys are not calibrated properly. -- Royce P, 04/24/2004
The stock carbs (C3AF-BJ and C3AF-BK) are 600 CFM but are calibrated to work as a progressive pair. The difference is that of night and day. The original carbs are being reproduced and are available from http://www.carlsfordparts.com

This is an awesome setup for the street, it has no flat spots, no bog at all on my 427.

Royce
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21145&Reply=21142><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: 600 Holleys are not calibrated properly.</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>scott hendrix, <i>04/24/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>is there nothing i can do to these to make them work properly? </blockquote> RE: 600 Holleys are not calibrated properly. -- scott hendrix, 04/24/2004
is there nothing i can do to these to make them work properly?
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21146&Reply=21142><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>They can be recalibrated.</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>Royce P, <i>04/24/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>There's a guy named Joe Bunetic who can convert them to work properly. I am unable to give you his contact information right now, perhaps someone else on here has Joe's number.<br><br>Royce  </blockquote> They can be recalibrated. -- Royce P, 04/24/2004
There's a guy named Joe Bunetic who can convert them to work properly. I am unable to give you his contact information right now, perhaps someone else on here has Joe's number.

Royce
 RE:Joe Bunetic's # -- McQ, 04/29/2004
It took me awhile to get to this but here's Joe's phone #: 618-397-3580

I know Royce has had a carb or two done by Joe. I've had him do six for me including my trio of 390HP/401 Holleys. His work is absolutely top notch. And he's great to work with. He even likes FE's! Like you could do better than that.

His price last year on a single 4V Holley was $285
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21304&Reply=21142><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>RE: dual 4v</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>scott hendrix, <i>05/03/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>i just thought of something, when i switched to dual 4's should i have switched to a different fuel pump also? the reason i ask is, awhile back when i was fighting a different problem, i pulled the filter off the fuel line for a short while just to get where i needed to and it ran great! could it be that i need a pump that puts out twice the pressure for 2 carbs compared to a pump designed for 1? </blockquote> RE: dual 4v -- scott hendrix, 05/03/2004
i just thought of something, when i switched to dual 4's should i have switched to a different fuel pump also? the reason i ask is, awhile back when i was fighting a different problem, i pulled the filter off the fuel line for a short while just to get where i needed to and it ran great! could it be that i need a pump that puts out twice the pressure for 2 carbs compared to a pump designed for 1?
 RE: dual 4v -- John, 05/03/2004
Pressure is nice about 7 to 8 psi. However you could have a fuel pump which is inadequate (possibly) or a fuel filter which is restrictive (most likely), or even too small fuel lines anywhere from tank to carb (so the experts say, but I havn't had any trouble with lines smaller than 1/2". About those 600's though. The ONLY difference is to the idle circuit as the idle adj is for fine tuning only. Two carbs give off twice the fuel they should at idle with the mixture screws in the normal position, but will run OK, but still rich in the fully closed position. The progressive linkage neeeds to be set up correctly and make sure the carbs are monted in the right position as the belcranks are different front vs back carb. If the fuel supply turns out to be OK, sounds like your driveability is in the accel pumps or possibly the vacumn advance. Are the vacumn advance connected together for synchronous secondary operation? If you use regualr carbs, you can drill and tap and add fittings to the vacumn chamber caps and add a balance tube. As far as the accel pumps go, check the colour of the cam and make sure both are the same and the nominal type (I forget that colour, but any Holley book will tell you that) and the 50cc pumps are a better bet than the smaller ones if you use an after market HP cam. Maybe the spring rates should be changed, but this hasn't had much affect in my experience.
Collapse <a href=../ForumFE/reply.aspx?ID=21141&Reply=21141><img src=../images/reply.png width=30 height=10></a>&nbsp;<b>exhaust leak @manifold to head</b>&nbsp;-- <font color=#0000ff>scott hendrix, <i>04/24/2004</i></font><br /><blockquote>ive had to replace exhaust gaskets on my 390 i dont know how many times in the past 2 years. it seems the bolts keep vibrating loose. is this a common problem? i had the motor rebuilt recently and the heads shaved because of the carbon from the leaks thinking this would solve that problem, but it didnt. any ideas? </blockquote> exhaust leak @manifold to head -- scott hendrix, 04/24/2004
ive had to replace exhaust gaskets on my 390 i dont know how many times in the past 2 years. it seems the bolts keep vibrating loose. is this a common problem? i had the motor rebuilt recently and the heads shaved because of the carbon from the leaks thinking this would solve that problem, but it didnt. any ideas?
 Sure - exh. bolts tend to back out. Ford used special ones... -- Mr F, 04/24/2004
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