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 | fe stroker motor -- w. centlivre, 03/14/2001
anyone out there have experience building fe stroker motors? what are you comments on the following. i'm building an engine for a truck application and would like to use as many standard/stock components as possible....presently i'm considering the following: - 391 ft block bored to 4.13 - 3.78 crank offset ground to ?? - 400m rods with arp bolts (rod length=6.5815") - 428 forged pistons (comp ht = 1.674") .....assuming a deck height clearance of .005 this would allow an offset grind to 3.82. total cubic inches calculates out to 409. |
|  | RE: fe stroker motor -- Ross, 03/14/2001
Why not use a 428 crank for 447? Then standard FE rods (stronger than 400 rods). Thats what we did and it was a heck of a motor |
| |  | RE: fe stroker motor -- w. centlivre, 03/14/2001
using a 428 crank would simplify however a good crank will cost $300+. stroking the 428 crank will also require custom pistons.....i'm trying to build within a budget & utilize as much standard off the shelf components as possible....thanks for the comment. |
| |  | RE: fe stroker motor -- w. centlivre, 03/14/2001
mr. ross....please provide specifics on how the 447 was built. what pistons were used? how was the crank modified? were there any modifications to the rods?....thanks for the response. |
| | |  | RE: fe stroker motor -- Ross, 03/14/2001
Sorry man, I was thinking 427 bore. I would get a 427 crank, it'll be cheaper than offset-grinding another crank. The use your pistons, stock FE rods with ARP bolts, and make a 428.
I know a crank is 300, but by the time you recondition 400 rods, offset grind and balance the crank, you have an oddball motor, when for cheaper you can essentially build a good running 428 |
| | | |  | Screwed up again -- Ross, 03/14/2001
What that was SUPPOSED to say, was I'd get a 428 crank and make the motor a std bore 428. Man, must be losing brain cells.
Bottom line, 19 more cubes, standard parts, for less money. I'd make it into a 428 |
| | | | |  | Absolutely. if you can get a good $300 428 crank! -- Walker, 03/14/2001
If you can get a 428 crank in decent shape for $300, that is the way to go. You'll be able to use off the shelf parts for everything else. In fact, for better selection of off the shelf pistons, you might want to go to 4.13 + .030 bore for even more displacement.
An investment in a good sonic checking of the block might be in order. |
|  | RE: fe stroker motor -- Paul, 03/14/2001
Here's a stroker article for you to read. It sounds intresting to me, execpt for the block filler. Stroked a 3.78 crank to 4.02 He even uses a FT block http://members.tripod.com/lyc_42/443/443.htm |
| |  | RE: sonic check -- Paul R, 03/14/2001
This may seem obvious, but have the block sonic tested before boring just to MAKE SURE there is enough meat in the cylinders. You dont want to have an expensive paperweight when your done! |
|  | RE: fe stroker motor -- 410cougar, 03/14/2001
or you can do what i am and build a 410 out of a 390 fe block. remeber there are stock strocker options that can be utilized without grinding out any of that precious historic metal and its toally reversible. just some ideas. |
 | intake manifold -- J. Robb, 03/14/2001
I have an intake manifold part # C9ZE-9425-B. It is original on my 69 390 s-code. Will this intake be a good performer with C8AE-H heads with 2.09 Int. and 1.65 Ex. valves and some mild pocket porting especially on the exhaust side? I plan on putting a 750 carb on top, probably a double pumper. This intake does not have the large S on it. I've heard these intakes are the same as the Edelbroke Performer, just not aluminum. Is that true? I'm going for about 400 HP and lots of mid-range torque.
If this intake is going to be inadequate, what should I look into? Thanks in advance |
|  | You need a better intake. -- Dave Shoe, 03/14/2001
The "S" marked manifold (on the #1 runner) is not similar to the Ed Performer. They're both in the same performance category, however this category hangs around te 200 to 300 HP region.
A CJ, PI or Ed RPM intake would be a good second step. A cam kit a good third step. The first step, in case you were wondering, is to remove the Fairlane/Mustang type exhaust manifolds and put some FPA Tri-Y headers on the poor motor. NOTHING will help that motor until that pair of cast iron factory exhaust restrictions is removed. Nore that C8AE-H heads have low-positioned exhaust ports and they need headers with low-flanges. FPA offers both hi and low types.
400HP will be a breeze with that motor, once it's converted from being the environmentally friendly citizen it presently is. It can be really smooth and silent with that kinda power, too (if you're into the stealth thing), until you step on it.
Shoe. |
| |  | RE: You need a better intake. -- J. Robb, 03/14/2001
Those things they call exhaust manifolds are removed and not going anywhere near my engine again. One of them was cracked anyways. But I got a cam that favors the exhaust side and I plan to do a little pocket porting in the head on the exhaust. I think I have that end of it pretty squared away, I plan on getting FPA headers. |
| | |  | RE: intake exhaust crossover port -- Dwayne, 03/14/2001
whats the best way to block off the exhaust port. |
| | | |  | RE: intake exhaust crossover port -- Rusty, 03/14/2001
The way I block off the heat-riser is simple. I tak2 (2) Pringle Potato chip cans and cut the bottons off (their stainless steel). I cut a rectagular piece out of the bottons that will be an 1/8" larger than the heat-riser hole on all sides. Glue the piece to the heads using 3M Yellow Adhesive (don't get too much of this stuff on your fingers..it's hard to get off). A friend of mine (one of the top F.E. race engine builders around) showed me this trick. Rusty |
| | | |  | RE: intake exhaust crossover port -- Dave Shoe, 03/14/2001
Weld the intake manifold closed.
Some folk just use a blocked-off intake manifold gasket, but they'll just burn-up and blow themselves apart.
Actually, it doesn't matter which type of intake manufold gasket you use (blocked off or normal) if the manifold is welded shut - it'll seal either way.
If it's an iron intake, I'd mill out a small rectangular recess about .065" deep and stick a piece of 1/16" steel into the recess. This'll hold up fine, even if the engine backfires. Too thin a steel plate can blow-out during a backfire.
Shoe. |
| | | | |  | RE: intake exhaust crossover port -- Dwayne, 03/14/2001
thanks rusty and dave. i'm a machinist so i'll bring it to work tomorrow. the intake i have is aluminum. will it crack if weld it. |
| | | | | |  | I've never had a problem. -- Dave Shoe, 03/15/2001
I've had a couple PI intakes heliarc'd by aluminum dudes and all went great.
BB thinks I'm nuts for doing it, but I think he's nuts for thinking I'm nuts. He claims everything's gonna warp.
I believe if you get an experienced welder who spirals a bead around the opening (or however they choose), it all goes so fast that nothing really gets hot and there is no reason for any problems.
Also, you don't really need to grind the weld flush because the manifold slot is frequently narrower than the gasket slot. A simple clean-up will often take care of the protruding part of the weld which might prevent good gasket crush. As a machinist, I suspect you can mill it flush with no problem, anyhow.
Shoe. |
 | Distributor Gear pin -- Danny, 03/13/2001
I have sheared off my distributor drive gear pin two times already in the last six months, it is a stock point dist. on a 67 390.Is this a common occurance or is something binding up to cause this, the dist. is a remanufactured one with no play in bushings and spins freely, could it be my oil pump? |
|  | RE: Distributor Gear pin -- Dave Shoe, 03/14/2001
It's standard practice for distributor rebuilders to use a rolled spring pin in place of the original solid pin when assembling the distributor gear.
These rolled pins are not strong enough to reliably work with a HV or HP oil pump. They often shear.
You need to see about getting a solid pin installed into your distributor. It should NOT be a hardened steel pin, but other than that I'm not sure what type of steel it's supposed to be made of.
If you have a stock (skinny) oil pump drive shaft, it's probably working a bit harder than it should, too. You might want to inspect it to see if it's twisted at all - they're supposed to be a straight hex shape, not a barber-pole twisted hex. A HP shaft is a requirement when you run a HV or HP pump.
You may not be able to access your drive shaft without removing the oil pan, as yanking it through the distributor hole might cause it's retaining clip to fall into the pan. This is not a disaster, but I just hate knowing there's an extra chunk of loose metal sitting in my engine, even if it is in a relatively inert location. If the drive pin follows the distributor up when you pull it, the previous builder didn't install the clip. This is fine, too, but I seem to recall you stand the chance of dropping the whole shaft into the pan if you don't handle it carefully.
I hope you retrieved the remains of the sheared pin OK.
Shoe. |
| |  | RE: Distributor Gear pin -- BOB HOPKINS, 03/14/2001
Dave ; At work we have been gitting double rollpins one inside the other in as replacements for the single pins Iam wondering how that would improve the probulm. |
| | |  | RE: Distributor Gear pin -- Dave Shoe, 03/14/2001
My gut says the "double roll pin" idea does not solve the problem, it just adds complexity to it.
Shoe. |
| | | |  | RE: Distributor Gear pin -- BOB HOPKINS, 03/14/2001
Dave; The double pin were added to increase shear restance on our trans.forks. I agree it'sapain when it shears, but considering the alternitive of something stopping the oil pump and the pin not shearing ,something has got to give if you have a standard driveshaft it will barberpole and shear,or a extra heavyduty replacement nontwistable driveshaft,I would think would be the gears on dist. or cam this would be worse agree? I think the doublepins would be a inprovement over standard rollpins. |
| | | |  | Thanks Guys!! -- Danny, 03/14/2001
Thank you guy's, I will try another style pin |
| | | | |  | RE: Thanks Guys!! -- CHRIS L., 03/14/2001
redrill your gear and shaft for the next larger size pin , you can do this yourself or have a machine shop do it for you, chris |
|  | RE: Distributor Gear pin -- RC Moser, 03/16/2001
What weight oil are you using. Does it shear the pin when it's cold, or after the engine is warm? |
| |  | RE: Distributor Gear pin & Oil weightt -- Danny, 03/16/2001
I use Havoline 10w40 , The first time it was warm at about 40lbs preasure , the second time it was cool and about 55lbs preasure |
 | paint question -- J. Robb, 03/13/2001
I have cleaned up all the brackets, harmonic damper, and pulleys that go on the front of my 390. None of them had any resemblence of what the factory color was supposed to be, so if someone could tell me, or send me a good picture, i'd appreciate it. Was the water pump painted, or left natural? Thanks for any responses |
|  | All that stuff was painted semi-gloss black [n/m] -- Mr F, 03/14/2001
n/m |
 | 428Cj heads on a 360? -- Marty, 03/13/2001
Hi guys, I have a rebuilt 360 that was bored .030 and I now want to put on my 428Cj heads and Cj intake. What problems should I be worried about with this swap? Any advice on rocker arms, head bolts, carb size etc? It will have a 4 spd toploader attached to it. |
 | ignition problems -- ben, 03/12/2001
guys on my 75 truck 390, i have been wrestling with a BIG ignition problem! seems like when the motor heats up, it starts to miss and backfire BIG TIME out the exhaust. (sounds like a sniper with an auto rifle LOL) it got sooo bad tonight coming home from work that i honestly thought i would have blown my mufflers apart! i replaced the duraspark 'brain' with a new one but it didnt help any! they guy at the parts place told me that they (the rubber grommets on the brain)are color coded for certain applications---> the one i have is 'blue'? i saw 'green' ones too but arent they all the same? he said they ARENT! moreover, he said something about another module being bad which might cause this. before i kick out any more $ buying unnecessary parts, can u guys help? its a 75 F250 4x4with electronic igition. if i shut the truck off after a backfiring episode and wait a few, it runs OK but not wholly well. its only until it gets hot or i really work it, that it goes bonkers on me! i am clueless here. any ideas will be greatly appreciated! |
|  | Spark scatter. -- Dave Shoe, 03/13/2001
You've got crossfiring.
It could be caused by your cap, rotor, or spark plug wires.
Oh wait. If it only happens when you take your foot off the gas, it's an exhaust leak near the manifold. OK, it's not that.
There's a teeny chance it could also be from a blown head gasket between two cylinders (easy ID with a compression tester, as two neighboring cylinders will be low), but it's not. Still, a compression tes will also reveal whether you have badly recessed, cracked, or leaking exhaust valves.
I blame the wires, personally.
Still, the cap is cheaper, so pull it off and look for powdery crap inside it which tends to hang around the HV leads. This stuff is sorta conductive and can somtimes build-up to the point of causing problems. Also look for a crack or a black trail that resembles a crack.
Do the same with the rotor. Just sorta look at it like you know what you're doing. If it has a story to tell, you'll see it.
Put the combo back on and see if it helped. Don't tell me the answer, yet.
Next, try moving every wire to a different cylinder, and maybe do it so that no two neighboring wires remain neighbors after it's over. It doesn't really matter how you do it, just so long as you unclip them from the hangers so they flop around differently than before.
Now try driving again and see if it helps. Again, keep the answer a secret - for now.
Next, go to the nearest NAPA dealer and get their cheap set of FE-compatible plug wires (their cheap stuff is made of highly satisfactory BELDEN wire. Their better stuff is more than you need, and the wrong color, too). Also buy their cap and rotor.
If a NAPA ain't near by, go to a dealer which sells quality auto parts, not a big franchise that just sells flashy looking stuff in artsy packaging - I've gotten too many bad sets (that crossfire right out of the box) of "latest-hype" brand wires to even play that game anymore.
Now replace everything you just bought., because it was all old and worn out anyway.
Now, take your truck out for one last test drive. At this point I don't wanna know if it helped, because if you spent the money, it damn well better have worked or you're just gonna yell at me.
Shoe. |
| |  | Hmmm... -- Dave Shoe, 03/13/2001
I'm starting to think it might actually be misfiring, maybe not crossfiring.
The "hot" part and the muffler part suggests you're dumping unburned cylinder charges into the exhaust and the exhaust eventually gets hot enough to set it off, and you might not be simply firing a cylinder at the wrong time.
This fail could include the sparkplugs, coil, electronic module (obviously not), and possibly the reluctor coil inside the distributor, along with the other items mentioned in my last post. Usually the reluctor will just die at a certain engine temp if a certain type of fail occurs, but I suppose some variations might send a weak signal to the electronic module.
Does it sound like only one cylinder is misfiring, or does it seem like different cylinders are acting up?
Not so sure anymore, Shoe. |
|  | RE: ignition problems -- ben, 03/13/2001
ok i can rule out wires, timing and the like because that was all replaced not too long ago(pre-winter tuneup!) to clarify some, if i go out and start it up now, it will run but i think maybe 1 or 2 cylinders ane NOT firing because i can visibly see rich exhaust smoke coming from the tailpipes. it becomes even more obvious if i 'gun' it. if i go to drive it,, again it will run but not run cleanly--misfires at certain RPMs its only when it gets hot does the thing really start to backfire and totally go nutso! if im lucky enough to make it off to the side of the road, ill shut it off for a few, then go back and start it and again, it runs 'semi-ok' UNTIL it : a)gets hot again b)i really load the engine down--ie accelerate under power if afraid to drive this thing until i get it figured out--tired of walking.......in snow that is LOL thanks again dave for yr input |
| |  | I'm back to square one. -- Dave Shoe, 03/13/2001
New plug wires or not, it's sounding more like bad wires.
Start it outside at night with the hood open and your eyes adjusted to the dark. Don't do it inside the garage, because your motor is creating all kindsa carbon monoxide right now. Have a friend put it in drive while holding the brake. Look under the hood (from a safe position on the side) for all kinds of blue haze and possibly bright blue arcing. I'm betting several spark plugs will have a haze around them and several wires will be crosstalking, too.
You need to do it under load (be careful - power brakes don't work well in this situation, as the vacuum reservoir empties fast) as it's tougher for the spark to jump through a fuel-air mixture than it is to jump through a lean atmosphere. This means it requires a higher voltage to punch through the spark gap, allowing "leaks" to take over the plasma-creation duties.
I do not trust new plug wires. It could be in your cap, too.
Shoe. |
|  | RE: ignition problems -- RC Moser, 03/14/2001
Sounds like the dist. to me, remove the module and have it tested again. We would all like to know what to replace when something is bad, but, it just don't work like that some times. You know what's new and what's old, some time you just got to go with you gut feeling and start replacing till you find the problem. We've all been their and have old good parts laying around from trial and error. Test what you can at the auto parts store and start replacing something.. or put up with the problem. |
|  | RE: ignition problems -- kevin, 03/15/2001
Check the engine with the valve cover off. Make sure it is running and hot and missing. Put on a glove and take a rag in hand and push down on the rocker arm on the push rod side of the suspect exhaust valve. What you want to do is collapse the lifter and let it pump back up several times to clean it out. It may have a piece of dirt keeping it from bleeding down properly. Sounds kind of like a valve not closing properly. Good luck! |
 | CRAGER offset distributer drive timing cover -- rachel calabrese, 03/12/2001
OK GUYS - NEED SOME HELP
I am putting togehter a t bucket that has a 428 FE motor.
I purchased a complete 671 blower assembly that was on a FE back in the 60's, but on a shelf for about 20 + years after the car was sold.
To allow the blower, the kit came with a front timing cover made by CRAGAR that moves the distributer in front onthe timing cover and angles it to the side.
I have all the pieces EXCEPT the gear that somehow bolts to the cam gear to drive the distributer in its new position.
We originally fiqured taking an old FE cam and machining the cam so it can mount to the front of the stock cam gear, but the diameter of the distributer drive gear on a stock FE cam does not fit into the opening in the cragar cover.
Has anyone seen this type of setup and know what type of gear is used ?
If not, does anyone know how much clearance can be gained by switching to a mallory distributer with a low profile cap ?
Any suggestions are appreciated.
Please email me with your reply.
Thanks
Rachel
ps - if i really confused you with the above questions, i can take some pics of the cragar timing cover and email them to you if needed |
|  | don't know about Crager, but you might check here: -- Walker, 03/12/2001
Kinsler in Troy, MI does a lot of offset distributor, crank driven distributors and 90 degree distributor drives.
I've also seen the following advertisement, don't know too much about them though.
Good Luck.
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| |  | Maybe try this place, too. -- Dave Shoe, 03/13/2001
I've heard folk sometimes talk about offset FE distributors over here:
http://network54.com/Hide/Forum/74182
Maybe one of 'em will be browsing today.
Shoe. |
 | 427 casting # -- swede, 03/12/2001
i have a427 side oiler, no ribs down the block. Left side # dif 12or18 hour 1 o'clock nothing else. right side has nothing. front # are 60 over 352. numbers on back of block are 66-427 over 2. There are no # indicating passenger car use or year. no indication of any grinding either. also no # stamped. heads are 65 med. riser. what was this block's date of manufacture and intended use? |
 | 428 CJ exhaust gasket replacement. -- frank, 03/12/2001
I have a 1969 mach 1 with a 428 CJ and original exhaust manifolds. The edge of the exhaust gasket blew out on the pass. side and I was wondering is it possible to replace it and what has to be done to do it. Do I need to jack the motor up or what? The part that blew out was just a little corner at the front and if major work is involved I might just try to stick in a little piece. It's a paper gasket and does any company make steel 16 bolt pattern gaskets. Thanks for any help or ideas. |
 | Mini blower for FE? -- Jeff, 03/12/2001
Hi Guys,
Does anyone make a mini blower for the FE? Something like the Vortec type - anything that doesn't require cutting a huge whole in the hood. Jeff |
|  | RE: Mini blower for FE? -- Will, 03/13/2001
I think www.cobracountry.com is working on a kit to mount 2 paxton's on an FE. They are supposed to be trying to duplicate the setup on Bill Cosby's car.
Or, you could buy the stuff from Vortech for a carbureted engine. They have the airbox, blower, hoses, etc. You'd have to design the brackets and crank pulley, but that's about it. |
| |  | Bill Cosby has a blown FE? -- T1M, 03/13/2001
Do you have a url? or a picture of it you could post? |
| | |  | he HAD one. in the 60's. -- Walker, 03/13/2001
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| | |  | RE: Bill Cosby has a blown FE? -- Will, 03/13/2001
Shelby built a Cobra for him. I don't remember the story, and it is surely exaggerated.
The way I remember it, Cosby drove it for a while, but was scared of it, so he sold it. Later, it was driven off a cliff, killing the driver. I think it was recovered and was restored. There was a second twin supercharged Cobra made, but was driven by Shelby. My memory is really vague on this. It doesn't get brought up often, but it apparently did happen.
Here's a link:
http://www.thecarsource.com/shelby/comparisons.html |
| | | |  | The best part is that his car also had A/T ! [n/m] -- Mr F, 03/14/2001
n/m |
| | |  | RE: Bill Cosby has a blown FE? -- 410cougar, 03/14/2001
i thought all he had was puddin pops...lol |
| | | |  | picture of Cobra 2x4 X-F66 xram with 2 paxtons -- Walker, 03/14/2001
6-8 lbs of boost.
700+ HP
10-11 sec quarter
Lincoln C-6
dual Holley 600's on an Edelbrock X-F66 cross ram
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| | | | |  | RE: picture of Cobra 2x4 X-F66 xram with 2 paxtons -- 410cougar, 03/14/2001
holy sh*&. i think im in love. i think exchaning those hoses for some smaller diameter aluminum ones whould boost the charge though. have to remeber the colder the charge the denser the air and the more volume per cubic inch you receive. makes you think.
(1) 900 - 1100 cfm +custom cooler charged by an AC pump + (2) novi 2000 super charger = hella ride. nuthing like 8 pistons wizzing around at 7000 rmp.
im going to draw a few ideas tonight. post em this weekend. boy if i could patent all my ideas id be a rich man, but i dont think that the drivable toilet would be a good idea....hmm or maybe..lol. |
| | | |  | RE: Bill Cosby has a blown FE? -- kevin, 03/15/2001
He made an album about it called "200 MPH". Look for it at an old record shop or so. It is funny to hear him describe the ride. |
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